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Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288115] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 00:10
Leo Breebaart  
Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> > I know at least one person who received the clue fairy email,
> > and considered it patronising enough that they decided they
> > didn't want to keep reading the froup.
>
> Yes, I know someone it had the same effect on.
>
> > I think that just emphasisies the "can't please everybody"
> > thing.
>
> Plus it might be time for a little editing on the part of the
> clue-fairies.

So, how would you rephrase the afp welcomer mail to improve it
and make it less in need of editing?

Complaining is easy. How about sticking your neck out and getting
a little bit more actively involved?

--
Leo Breebaart <leo [at] lspace.org>
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288141 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 01:16
Steve Rogers  
"Leo Breebaart" <leo [at] lspace.org> wrote in message
news:4fe45oF1iuisuU1 [at] individual.net...
> Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
>> > I know at least one person who received the clue fairy email,
>> > and considered it patronising enough that they decided they
>> > didn't want to keep reading the froup.
>>
>> Yes, I know someone it had the same effect on.
>>
>> > I think that just emphasisies the "can't please everybody"
>> > thing.
>>
>> Plus it might be time for a little editing on the part of the
>> clue-fairies.
>
> So, how would you rephrase the afp welcomer mail to improve it
> and make it less in need of editing?
>
> Complaining is easy. How about sticking your neck out and getting
> a little bit more actively involved?

There I was going to go take a look at it, having never seen it, and I
can't reach the server. Ah well, must be busy with everyone else
looking it up ;-)

Steve
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288197 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 07:04
Blake  
Leo Breebaart wrote:

> Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
>
>>>I know at least one person who received the clue fairy email,
>>>and considered it patronising enough that they decided they
>>>didn't want to keep reading the froup.
>>
>>Yes, I know someone it had the same effect on.
>>
<snip>

The clue fairy visited me and tapped me on the head with her/his?
golden brick.

I thought: I could find this offensive, but I chose not to.


ps. What's a froup?
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288207 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 08:08
Matthew Seaman  
Blake <blake_hugh [at] hotmail.com> writes:

> ps. What's a froup?

It's an off-by-one error[1], usually for humerous intent.

Cheers,

Matthew

[1] Unless you're a one-handed Dvorak user.

--
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard
Flat 3
PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate
Kent, CT11 9PW
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288215 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 08:35
Suzi  
In article <mZqkg.65840$JX1.36127 [at] edtnps82>, Blake
blake_hugh [at] hotmail.com wibbled...

> Leo Breebaart wrote:
>
> > Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >
> >>>I know at least one person who received the clue fairy email,
> >>>and considered it patronising enough that they decided they
> >>>didn't want to keep reading the froup.
> >>
> >>Yes, I know someone it had the same effect on.
> >>
> <snip>
>
> The clue fairy visited me and tapped me on the head with her/his?
> golden brick.
>
> I thought: I could find this offensive, but I chose not to.

Maybe it should start with "If you're not new to usenet and/or have
lurked on afp for a while now then this document may not be something
that you need to read. This document is designed to help new posters to
the group get up to speed quickly and allow them to find useful
information relating to the group" ?

Suzi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288283 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 11:38
Tamara  
Leo Breebaart wrote:

> So, how would you rephrase the afp welcomer mail to improve it
> and make it less in need of editing?
>
> Complaining is easy. How about sticking your neck out and getting
> a little bit more actively involved?
>

Now that I think about it, the clue fairy didn't send me any email this
time around (since I'm posting under a new email, again).
Probably because it's automated and my current reply-to address is a
spam trap. Oh well.

Where *does* one find a copy of the email, so we can start nitpicking it
to pieces? ;)


tamara,
pondering the merits of volunteering

--
tamara at blue-infinity dot net


"You could try refusing to lend out your books and comics unless the
person leaves you something equally valuable to them with you, as a
hostage. Of course, if that goes wrong, you could lose all your Sandmans
and books, and find yourself with several unwanted dogs, parrots and
children..."
Neil Gaiman's online journal
Re: [I] (was *M*) Afp welcome email [message #288297 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 11:53
jester  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:04:18 GMT, Blake
<blake_hugh [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>ps. What's a froup?

Traditional (I think originally accidental) mis-spelling of group,
normally used to refer to a fan-group, such as alt.fan.pratchett.
8-)

--
Andy Brown
Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned
in school. -- A. Einstein
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288310 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 13:04
Jens Ayton  
tamara:
>
> Now that I think about it, the clue fairy didn't send me any email this
> time around (since I'm posting under a new email, again).

Last time I changed my address -- about two weeks ago -- I got two
cluemails. One to the new address, one to the old.


--
\\\\ Jens Ayton, Fratello di Vetinari 36.3636363636364% insane
\\\\\__, Bringing sarcastic one-liners to the common hedgehog since 1999
\\\\\`/
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288320 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 14:02
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:38:32 +0200, tamara wrote:

> Now that I think about it, the clue fairy didn't send me any email this
> time around

Ditto here:)
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288329 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 14:31
Orjan Westin  
CeltiKaos wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:38:32 +0200, tamara wrote:
>
>> Now that I think about it, the clue fairy didn't send me any email
>> this time around
>
> Ditto here:)

The clue fairy (actually, I think the one sending the e-mail is not a
fairy, but a meerkat) cannot de-munge munged or invalid e-mail
addresses. Neither can a lot of posters.

Since the most common e-mail harvesters (still?) only reads the headers
(in which the From line is included), it's recommended that you provide
a valid Reply-To, which isn't normally harvested.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288433 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 20:23
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:53 +0100, Orjan Westin wrote:

> Since the most common e-mail harvesters (still?) only reads the headers
> (in which the From line is included), it's recommended that you provide a
> valid Reply-To, which isn't normally harvested.

TYVM. It's been a long time since I used usenet so I forgot I had no
address at all in the reply-to :)

Kind regards,

Julian
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288476 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 22:29
Lesley Weston  
in article 4fe45oF1iuisuU1 [at] individual.net, Leo Breebaart at leo [at] lspace.org
wrote on 15/06/2006 3:10 PM:

> Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk> writes:
>
>>> I know at least one person who received the clue fairy email,
>>> and considered it patronising enough that they decided they
>>> didn't want to keep reading the froup.
>>
>> Yes, I know someone it had the same effect on.
>>
>>> I think that just emphasisies the "can't please everybody"
>>> thing.
>>
>> Plus it might be time for a little editing on the part of the
>> clue-fairies.
>
> So, how would you rephrase the afp welcomer mail to improve it
> and make it less in need of editing?
>
> Complaining is easy. How about sticking your neck out and getting
> a little bit more actively involved?

I did answer this already for Esmi. I put it badly - it's not so much the
wording as the fact that it arrives as unsolicited advice, which to some
means admonition and to many comes across as patronising.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288503 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 23:12
esmi  
on 16/06/2006 13:31 Orjan Westin said the following:

> The clue fairy (actually, I think the one sending the e-mail is not a
> fairy, but a meerkat) cannot de-munge munged or invalid e-mail
> addresses. Neither can a lot of posters.

Close. Meerkat (the scripts) identifies new posters and sends a list of
of those addresses to the Clue Fairies. One of the fairies (ie me) goes
through the list manually, de-munging where possible and identifying
obvious afp regulars (waves to Thomas Z). I then mail the 'kat back with
a list of who to send the mail to and who to mark as a known poster.

Finally, it sends me a confirmation mail when it has completed a mail run.

The 'kat and I used exchange these mails up to 4 times a day but, since
the Hamster (who wrote and hosts Meeerkat) has had server problems, that
has reduced. It only came back online about 2 weeks ago and tends to
mail out only once a day.

> Since the most common e-mail harvesters (still?) only reads the headers
> (in which the From line is included), it's recommended that you provide
> a valid Reply-To, which isn't normally harvested.

I suspect that Meerkat does try to extract a Reply-To: address in the
first instance but, failing that, defaults to the From: address. After
6 years of doing this, I reckon I've seen every type of mung known to
Man or 'kat and I have to say that the range of methods is suprisingly
limited. :-)

esmi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288504 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 22:56
esmi  
on 16/06/2006 07:35 Suzi said the following:
[Welcome email]
> Maybe it should start with "If you're not new to usenet and/or have
> lurked on afp for a while now then this document may not be something
> that you need to read. This document is designed to help new posters to
> the group get up to speed quickly and allow them to find useful
> information relating to the group" ?

The mail currently starts with:

"Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,

You have been sent this message because you recently posted
for the first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and
we would like to offer you a warm welcome to the group.

If you are not a new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have
received this message in error - possibly because you have
changed your email address in which case we apologise sincerely
for the inconvenience."

How about:

"Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,

You have been sent this message because you recently posted for the
first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and we would like to
offer you a warm welcome to the group. We have included some details
designed to help new posters and allow them to find useful information
relating to the group

If you are not new to usenet, have lurked on afp for a while or aren't
a new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have received this message
in error - possibly because you have changed your email address - in
which case we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience."

I'm not trying to be deliberately cagey with the text but I am trying to
bear in mind that, when the mail was first drafted, a lot of people
suggested that it could be kept as short and as succint as possible.

esmi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288505 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 23:01
esmi  
on 16/06/2006 12:04 Jens Ayton said the following:
> tamara:
>> Now that I think about it, the clue fairy didn't send me any email this
>> time around (since I'm posting under a new email, again).
>
> Last time I changed my address -- about two weeks ago -- I got two
> cluemails. One to the new address, one to the old.

Hey! No fair! I recognised tamara's because her name is actually part of
her address. How was I to know that 'UGPTDOVVSNIT = Jens'?

:-p

esmi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288506 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 23:02
esmi  
on 16/06/2006 10:38 tamara said the following:
<snip>

> Where *does* one find a copy of the email, so we can start nitpicking it
> to pieces? ;)

http://www.lspace.org/fandom/afp/welcome.html

> tamara,
> pondering the merits of volunteering

If you're good at packing lots of info into very little text, please do. :-)

esmi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288510 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 23:20
Suzi  
In article <e6v6ui$518$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, esmi esmi [at] lspace.org wibbled...

[Snip]
> How about:
>
> "Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
>
> You have been sent this message because you recently posted for the
> first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and we would like to
> offer you a warm welcome to the group. We have included some details
> designed to help new posters and allow them to find useful information
> relating to the group
>
> If you are not new to usenet, have lurked on afp for a while or aren't
> a new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have received this message
> in error - possibly because you have changed your email address - in
> which case we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience."

Personally I think it's a far better start to it as it gives the benefit
of the doubt to the new poster and doesn't treat them all as usenet-
newbies (which is partly what put the hackles up on the three cases I
know of as they objected to be recipients of what they saw as something
highly patronising).

> I'm not trying to be deliberately cagey with the text but I am trying to
> bear in mind that, when the mail was first drafted, a lot of people
> suggested that it could be kept as short and as succint as possible.

Agreed - I remember, but if a small change like that helps to not put
people off when they first arrive then surely it has to be a good thing?

Suzi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288521 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 23:35
Rocky Frisco  
Suzi wrote:

> Maybe it should start with "If you're not new to usenet and/or have
> lurked on afp for a while now then this document may not be something
> that you need to read. This document is designed to help new posters to
> the group get up to speed quickly and allow them to find useful
> information relating to the group" ?

I think that's very good.

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288583 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 01:17
jester  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:56:58 +0100, esmi
<esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
<snip>
>How about:
>
>"Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
>
>You have been sent this message because you recently posted for the
>first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and we would like to
>offer you a warm welcome to the group. We have included some details
>designed to help new posters and allow them to find useful information
>relating to the group
>
>If you are not new to usenet, have lurked on afp for a while or aren't
>a new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have received this message
>in error - possibly because you have changed your email address - in
>which case we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience."

I think that covers all bases pretty well.

--
Andy Brown
Happiness, n.:
An agreeable sensation arising from contemplating the misery of
another.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288589 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 01:32
Tamara  
esmi wrote:
> on 16/06/2006 10:38 tamara said the following:
> <snip>
>> tamara,
>> pondering the merits of volunteering
>
> If you're good at packing lots of info into very little text, please do.
> :-)
>

Only in the form of paintings, I'm afraid...
If you give me text I tend to shuffle it about so much it just loses all
meaning.

tamara,
with a brush behind one ear, a second down the cleavage, and a third
used to keep the text from running down the canvas

--
tamara at blue-infinity dot net


"You could try refusing to lend out your books and comics unless the
person leaves you something equally valuable to them with you, as a
hostage. Of course, if that goes wrong, you could lose all your Sandmans
and books, and find yourself with several unwanted dogs, parrots and
children..."
Neil Gaiman's online journal
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288620 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 02:16
exquisite witch peach  
esmi wrote:

> on 16/06/2006 07:35 Suzi said the following:
> [Welcome email]
>
>> Maybe it should start with "If you're not new to usenet and/or have
>> lurked on afp for a while now then this document may not be something
>> that you need to read. This document is designed to help new posters
>> to the group get up to speed quickly and allow them to find useful
>> information relating to the group" ?
>
>
> The mail currently starts with:
>
> "Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
>
> You have been sent this message because you recently posted
> for the first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and
> we would like to offer you a warm welcome to the group.
>
> If you are not a new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have
> received this message in error - possibly because you have
> changed your email address in which case we apologise sincerely
> for the inconvenience."
>
> How about:
>
> "Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
>
> You have been sent this message because you recently posted for the
> first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and we would like to
> offer you a warm welcome to the group. We have included some details
> designed to help new posters and allow them to find useful information
> relating to the group
>
> If you are not new to usenet, have lurked on afp for a while or aren't a
> new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have received this message in
> error - possibly because you have changed your email address - in which
> case we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience."
>
> I'm not trying to be deliberately cagey with the text but I am trying to
> bear in mind that, when the mail was first drafted, a lot of people
> suggested that it could be kept as short and as succint as possible.
>
> esmi

I like it esmi.

I'll be honest, when I first started my only thought about the clue
fairies letter was regret I didn't get one. It took me a good week to
realize I wasn't left out but had only used such a munged email there
was no hope of getting one.

But I got one last fall when I switched to this email address, so
there was at least that. :)

I think though, it wouldn't hurt to add in early up on the beginning
something that says it's a routine welcome, or that no you haven't done
anything wrong.
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288664 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 05:45
John Duncan Yoyo  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:53 +0100, "Orjan Westin"
<nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:

>CeltiKaos wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:38:32 +0200, tamara wrote:
>>
>>> Now that I think about it, the clue fairy didn't send me any email
>>> this time around
>>
>> Ditto here:)
>
>The clue fairy (actually, I think the one sending the e-mail is not a
>fairy, but a meerkat) cannot de-munge munged or invalid e-mail
>addresses. Neither can a lot of posters.
>
>Since the most common e-mail harvesters (still?) only reads the headers
>(in which the From line is included), it's recommended that you provide
>a valid Reply-To, which isn't normally harvested.
>
Is it fast enough to use a Spam Gourmet temporary address on?
<http://www.spamgourmet.com/>
--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Brought to you by the Binks for Senate campaign comittee.
Coruscant is far, far away from wesa on Naboo.
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #288738 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 01:00
esmi  
on 16/06/2006 22:20 Suzi said the following:

> Agreed - I remember, but if a small change like that helps to not put
> people off when they first arrive then surely it has to be a good thing?

Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,

If you're not new to Usenet and/or have lurked on AFP for a while, then
this document may not be something that you need to read. This document
is designed to help new posters to the group get up to speed quickly and
allow them to find useful information relating to the group.

You have been sent this message because you recently posted for the
first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and we would like to
offer you a warm welcome to the group.

If you are not a new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have received
this message in error - possibly because you have changed your email
address in which case we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience.

[...]

esmi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #289439 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 16:07
Thomas Zahr  
esmi posted:

.... (waves to Thomas Z)

<waves back>

Don't worry about them, I quite like them ;-)

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<sometimes RL is such a drag>
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #289737 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 21:39
Julia Jones  
In article <e70v8f$1d9k$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> writes
>on 16/06/2006 22:20 Suzi said the following:
>
>> Agreed - I remember, but if a small change like that helps to not put
>>people off when they first arrive then surely it has to be a good
>>thing?
>
>Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
>
>If you're not new to Usenet and/or have lurked on AFP for a while,
>then this document may not be something that you need to read. This
>document is designed to help new posters to the group get up to speed
>quickly and allow them to find useful information relating to the group.
>
>You have been sent this message because you recently posted for the
>first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and we would like to
>offer you a warm welcome to the group.
>
>If you are not a new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have
>received this message in error - possibly because you have changed your
>email address in which case we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience.
>

Looks good to me. Of course, I've been here since before the Welcomer
started, so I don't actually know what it's like to be on the receiving
end of it.

--
Julia Jones
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #289757 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 23:32
Hendrik Schober  
Julia Jones <julia.jones [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <e70v8f$1d9k$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> writes
> > on 16/06/2006 22:20 Suzi said the following:
> >
> > > Agreed - I remember, but if a small change like that helps to not put
> > > people off when they first arrive then surely it has to be a good
> > > thing?
> >
> > Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
> [...]
>
> Looks good to me. Of course, I've been here since before the Welcomer
> started, so I don't actually know what it's like to be on the receiving
> end of it.

IIRC, it's like coming to an established community
that knows that it has too many rules to remember
them immediately.
I liked it, actually.

Schobi

--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org

"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #289895 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 21:46
FiX01  
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:00:26 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>on 16/06/2006 22:20 Suzi said the following:
>
>> Agreed - I remember, but if a small change like that helps to not put
>> people off when they first arrive then surely it has to be a good thing?
>
>Hello, and welcome to Alt.fan.pratchett,
>
>If you're not new to Usenet and/or have lurked on AFP for a while, then
>this document may not be something that you need to read. This document
>is designed to help new posters to the group get up to speed quickly and
>allow them to find useful information relating to the group.
>
>You have been sent this message because you recently posted for the
>first time to the newsgroup, alt.fan.pratchett and we would like to
>offer you a warm welcome to the group.
>
>If you are not a new poster to alt.fan.pratchett, then you have received
>this message in error - possibly because you have changed your email
>address in which case we apologise sincerely for the inconvenience.

If you are not a new poster to afp, then you're a cheat who's trying
to get fluffy mails and more than their fair share of chocolate. As
such, you should be ashamed, grovel onfroup and sincerely apologise
for the bandwidth loss.

FiX (still not dead)
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #289898 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 21:49
FiX01  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:01:21 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>on 16/06/2006 12:04 Jens Ayton said the following:
>> tamara:
>>> Now that I think about it, the clue fairy didn't send me any email this
>>> time around (since I'm posting under a new email, again).
>>
>> Last time I changed my address -- about two weeks ago -- I got two
>> cluemails. One to the new address, one to the old.
>
>Hey! No fair! I recognised tamara's because her name is actually part of
>her address. How was I to know that 'UGPTDOVVSNIT = Jens'?
>
>:-p
>
>esmi

You're part of the dreaded Cabal, the Cabal knows all, surveys all and
wakes you up when you've forgotten to brush your teeth before going to
bed.

FiX (tinc)
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #289900 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 21:51
FiX01  
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:12:05 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>on 16/06/2006 13:31 Orjan Westin said the following:
>
>> The clue fairy (actually, I think the one sending the e-mail is not a
>> fairy, but a meerkat) cannot de-munge munged or invalid e-mail
>> addresses. Neither can a lot of posters.
>
>Close. Meerkat (the scripts) identifies new posters and sends a list of
>of those addresses to the Clue Fairies. One of the fairies (ie me) goes
>through the list manually, de-munging where possible and identifying
>obvious afp regulars (waves to Thomas Z). I then mail the 'kat back with
>a list of who to send the mail to and who to mark as a known poster.
>
>Finally, it sends me a confirmation mail when it has completed a mail run.
>
>The 'kat and I used exchange these mails up to 4 times a day but, since
>the Hamster (who wrote and hosts Meeerkat) has had server problems, that
>has reduced. It only came back online about 2 weeks ago and tends to
>mail out only once a day.
>
>> Since the most common e-mail harvesters (still?) only reads the headers
>> (in which the From line is included), it's recommended that you provide
>> a valid Reply-To, which isn't normally harvested.
>
>I suspect that Meerkat does try to extract a Reply-To: address in the
>first instance but, failing that, defaults to the From: address. After
>6 years of doing this, I reckon I've seen every type of mung known to
>Man or 'kat and I have to say that the range of methods is suprisingly
>limited. :-)

Well, yes, the only way to munge an address is to put .invalid at the
end, as any fule knows...

FiX ;-P
Re: [I] Afp welcome email [message #289929 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 23:49
sjouw_uitwijk  
FiX wrote:

>
> FiX (still not dead)
>
Glad to hear that.
(or read it, at any rate)

TTFN,

Reinier
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #289983 ] Fr, 23 Juni 2006 09:16
PleegWat  
In article <q0tl929dch1o4gqpso66j3grm6cc1nqi03 [at] 4ax.com>, FiX says...
> You're part of the dreaded Cabal, the Cabal knows all, surveys all and
> wakes you up when you've forgotten to brush your teeth before going to
> bed.

There Is No Cabal
--
PleegWat
Remove caps to reply
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #289988 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 23:47
esmi  
on 22/06/2006 20:49 FiX said the following:
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:01:21 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>> Hey! No fair! I recognised tamara's because her name is actually part of
>> her address. How was I to know that 'UGPTDOVVSNIT = Jens'?

> You're part of the dreaded Cabal, the Cabal knows all, surveys all and
> wakes you up when you've forgotten to brush your teeth before going to
> bed.

Oh goody! Does this mean I can re-order the whole universe according to
my current whims and fancies? If so, is banning slugs and snails
acceptable? Spiders I can live with quite happily but anything that
'slimes' its way around... *shudder*

Added to which, one of the b*ggers completely decimated a whole pot of
sunflower seedlings overnight recently.

esmi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #290017 ] Fr, 23 Juni 2006 14:16
Geoff Field  
Matthew Seaman wrote:
> Blake <blake_hugh [at] hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> ps. What's a froup?
>
> It's an off-by-one error[1], usually for humerous intent.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthew
>
> [1] Unless you're a one-handed Dvorak user.

I'm sure Dvorak had two hands. Unless his "New World"
symphony should be "New Hand"...

Geoff (still lurking off and on... up to 8000+ unread posts).


--
Geoff Field
Professional Geek,
Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #290110 ] Fr, 23 Juni 2006 22:03
FiX01  
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:47:10 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>on 22/06/2006 20:49 FiX said the following:
>> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:01:21 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>>> Hey! No fair! I recognised tamara's because her name is actually part of
>>> her address. How was I to know that 'UGPTDOVVSNIT = Jens'?

>> You're part of the dreaded Cabal, the Cabal knows all, surveys all and
>> wakes you up when you've forgotten to brush your teeth before going to
>> bed.

>Oh goody! Does this mean I can re-order the whole universe according to
>my current whims and fancies? If so, is banning slugs and snails
>acceptable? Spiders I can live with quite happily but anything that
>'slimes' its way around... *shudder*

Think a little bit about whom you're talking to, then re-read your
sentence about snails... ;-P

FiX
[I] Snails (was Re: Afp welcome email) [message #290118 ] Fr, 23 Juni 2006 22:29
esmi  
on 23/06/2006 21:03 FiX said the following:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:47:10 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
<snip>

>> Does this mean I can re-order the whole universe according to
>> my current whims and fancies? If so, is banning slugs and snails
>> acceptable? Spiders I can live with quite happily but anything that
>> 'slimes' its way around... *shudder*

> Think a little bit about whom you're talking to, then re-read your
> sentence about snails... ;-P

If you want to opt for destruction by consumption, dear, I'm more than
happy to send them your way.

esmi
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #290131 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 00:13
raltbos  
"Geoff Field" <geoff_field [at] suespammers.org> wrote:

> Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > Blake <blake_hugh [at] hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> ps. What's a froup?
> >
> > It's an off-by-one error[1], usually for humerous intent.

> > [1] Unless you're a one-handed Dvorak user.
>
> I'm sure Dvorak had two hands. Unless his "New World"
> symphony should be "New Hand"...

No, but Ravel _did_ write a Concerto for the Left Hand, apparently for a
pianist friend of his who had lost his right hand.

Richard
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #290151 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 01:28
Lesley Weston  
in article e7g813$300g$1 [at] mud.stack.nl, esmi at esmi [at] lspace.org wrote on
22/06/2006 2:47 PM:

> on 22/06/2006 20:49 FiX said the following:
>> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:01:21 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>
>>> Hey! No fair! I recognised tamara's because her name is actually part of
>>> her address. How was I to know that 'UGPTDOVVSNIT = Jens'?
>
>> You're part of the dreaded Cabal, the Cabal knows all, surveys all and
>> wakes you up when you've forgotten to brush your teeth before going to
>> bed.
>
> Oh goody! Does this mean I can re-order the whole universe according to
> my current whims and fancies? If so, is banning slugs and snails
> acceptable? Spiders I can live with quite happily but anything that
> 'slimes' its way around... *shudder*
>
> Added to which, one of the b*ggers completely decimated a whole pot of
> sunflower seedlings overnight recently.

What is it with slugs and sunflower seedlings? We've got one, count them,
*one* sunflower left to grow to its reputed majestic size. There are all
sorts of delicious, tender weeds that they could eat, but noooo... straight
for the sunflowers every time. And what have squirrels got against pots of
mariglod [1] seedlings prettily arranged on an old tree-stump? None of those
are left.

[1] My tyops seem to be improving lately.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [M] Afp welcome email [message #290169 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 02:04
Arthur Hagen  
Richard Bos <raltbos [at] xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> No, but Ravel _did_ write a Concerto for the Left Hand, apparently
> for a pianist friend of his who had lost his right hand.

What a sinister thing to do.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Slugs 'n' Snails (was [M] Afp welcome email) [message #290263 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 18:58
MEG  
"esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message news:e7g813$300g$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> Added to which, one of the b*ggers completely decimated a whole pot of
> sunflower seedlings overnight recently.

The Blonde and The Bloke managed to save five sunflowers from a whole pot of
seedlings. Those losses were also slugged to death. It must be a favourite
food.
- MEG
Re: [I] Slugs 'n' Snails (was [M] Afp welcome email) [message #290334 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 01:52
Pudde Fjord  
MEG wrote:
> "esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message news:e7g813$300g$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
>> Added to which, one of the b*ggers completely decimated a whole pot of
>> sunflower seedlings overnight recently.
>
> The Blonde and The Bloke managed to save five sunflowers from a whole pot of
> seedlings. Those losses were also slugged to death. It must be a favourite
> food.

I read in a local paper recently that snails are repelled by copper. It
may be worth a try if you can get it right. The article showed some pots
with copper bands on that was supposed to be snail safe.

Pudde.
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